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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Aug 12, 2019 3:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Late era curiosity

So because of all the hoopdedoo about the latest meetup, I've gotten to watch a bunch of groovy vids from 89-91 times. My live time stopped at eo 89 so I have found it interesting. My question is did anyone feel slightly disconcerted when you watched Jerry play live and he sounded like a tenor sax? Even though I can understand the allure of it all it sort of weirded me out. Did most everyone just go ooooh? :)

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Aug 22, 2019 3:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Late era curiosity

To each his own but a flute sound on a great Bird Song was always welcomed. I saw a rare Spanish Jam in Vegas in 92. Those horn noises really added a lot.

Was it overkill sometimes, sure, but the midi had its moments

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Aug 24, 2019 12:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Late era curiosity

I get that for sure. It just looked weird to see him playing guitar and hear a sax. :)

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Poster: craven714 Date: Aug 12, 2019 5:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Late era curiosity

one man gathers what another man spills... late bloomer (sue me).. stopped in 89? Was just getting started in 88. Call me a touch head and l will touch you. Brent was getting hot, and the band too. But then Brent died, and the band did not (well, a little). Nor did the technology. Midi was coming into full bloom mid 80s. Along with cocaine (nother story).

The band took full exploration of any sound they could along the decades. They're sonic astronauts. Listen to what Mickey was coming out with around that time. Even Infrared Roses was like Terrapin Station, or the Blues for Allah (stretch) for the time.

So to try to answer your Q. First, l never got to see/hear some of these fantastic shows you all had the pleasure of.
But l did a shitload of 'homework'. So to listen to all of Jerrys sounds and effects and guitars throughout the YEARS, I don't see a disconnect nor disconcerted. It was just another step forward ("or a half a step") in the things that can fit in your ear. Yes, gimma 72 over an 82 or a 92 even, but l think, as the saying goes, he was searching for the sound. I never went ooooohhh. I just replaced the guitar notes that would have been played with the flute, etc.... Then you get down to the nitty gritty of which note are we playing in?
You also have to factor in the way Hornsby weighed in during those years. Jerrys face looks like musical blissful paradise at times. And.... Vince...
The only thing that really bugged me, and lve said it before,
why would Vince play synth sax when Wynton Marsalis is on stage (Est Prof)???
You sir.. Dh...Being an original. A purist. I kynda get where your coming from though. And what you don't miss from the late years is everything l miss from the early ones. now lm WEIRDed out!!

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Aug 12, 2019 7:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Late era curiosity

I see your point. Even though I am an oldie, but not an original, I was pretty dang faithful all through the years. Any time they came near SoCal in the 80s I was there. I just stopped in 89 and as you mentioned it probably wouldn't have been a big step at all. It's just been so long since I listened to 90s music. That noted yes there were a couple of moments in one of the vids where I thought Jerry and Bruce should have gotten a hotel room.

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Poster: craven714 Date: Aug 12, 2019 7:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Late era curiosity

Hotel room. That’s funny shit right there! Bruce really energized Jerry. The meet up at the movies was grate this year. Good turn out. People dancing in front on the screen. Nice and loud this time. I almost forgot about the $6 bottle of water đŸ‘€!
Going through the Days Between thing l posted, l realized that the last days are unknown sometimes. Right? That’s in the name. I would have tried just a little bit harder, just a little more. Just for closures sake, for 1 more... But, that’s not always up to us is it?
As long as the train keep rolling.....

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Aug 13, 2019 7:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Late era curiosity

When I was young trains choogled.

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Poster: craven714 Date: Aug 14, 2019 5:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Late era curiosity

https://youtu.be/wv_phi5Z288

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Aug 13, 2019 4:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Late era curiosity

At the time I thought it was it was cool that they were trying something new, sometimes I liked it the Garcia "flute", for instance, but I never warmed to the "sax" sound . Sometimes I think Garcia was bored, and the midi was a way to try to keep himself interested . But honestly, I can't say it was ever better than his natural tone .

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Aug 13, 2019 7:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Late era curiosity

Well I agree, but then craven made me realize that I lived with different sounds forever. Even in my holy 1974 there are the watery sounds in PIB, the wahs, the Eyes tones, the Spanish fuzz. Have I missed anyone? But at least they weren't like flutes or saxes. Who knows. Taste is in the eyes of the beholder.

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Poster: billydlions Date: Aug 13, 2019 2:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Late era curiosity

It's hard to remember what my thoughts were at the time. I know that I didn't like any of the Built to Last tunes and I never liked Vince but I was lucky to see what I think were the last good shows- 3-29-90 and 6-17-91. I wasn't a big fan of the midi effects although in a few cases I thought they sounded good. Eyes from 3-29-90 and the Scarlet-Fire transition from 3-22-90 (which I got on tape) come to mind. I also attended 9-9-91 (which became a Dicks Pick) and remember thinking the Aiko was great because of Jerry's trumpet solo.

I jumped on the bus in 1986 and within a few years the fans seemed to care more about bragging about how many shows they attended vs quality. The gate crashing and miracle seekers and Jerry's decline was enough for me to know to call it quits. 1987-1989 were fun though.

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Aug 14, 2019 9:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Late era curiosity

87 - 89 they were America's party band!
And they were fun years, and the music was still pretty good too...imo
They were the last years I consider myself to be active (e.g. seeing more than just a random show here or there), and it was a terrific time to be part of the scene..

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Poster: Vermoontains Date: Aug 14, 2019 1:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Late era curiosity

Here is a nice show from the Mecca on 4/16/89 and some reviews that make a point.

Reviewer: BataviaSparky -

- December 16, 2010
Subject: the epitome of 1989
In my opinion, this show is a perfect example of the Spring of 1989. I caught 7 or 8 on that tour, including these to Milwaukee shows. The music on this weekend (Fri-Sat) duo was probably the tightest, rippin'-est, HOTtest that I have ever heard the Grateful dead play live. Bobby friggin' BELTS out his lyrics and has the crunchy and delicious guitar fills, BRENT is at his ABSOLUTE best, LIFTING the entire band whenever there comes a hint of a drag down, Jerry is Jerry, meaning he's ALL THERE! No nodding, no flaccid noodling, just plain brilliance. Phil BOMBED the Mecca, something that flat out never comes out in recordings the way it did live, and the drummers maintain a solid beat while being creative and adventurous at the same time.

and another view

Reviewer: Cream Puff Peace -

- September 12, 2013
Subject: Best of both worlds...
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A typical late 80's show, not gleaming on the set list as much as a fine group of very tight buddies out entertaining, making millions (getting loaded) and having a blast (as much as they can after constantly touring and still keeping they're sanity).

Right on and bring on the snivelers who can't handle the 80's material!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLzhq0EBUz4&;t=629s